Sony Dismisses Rumors Of PlayStation 3 Downgrade >

	2006/06/16 8:42:51: Posted by DM
	Eurogamers has posted the response from Sony to the most recent outlandish rumor making the rounds on the net. A report on website Games Radar claimed that Sony was having trouble fitting all the PS3's components into the case without risk of overheating. The article also suggested that the Cell processor could run at a lower speed than originally stated. Sony has categorically denied both of these statements, claiming that they have been making consoles for years now and the experience alone would make this not true. This is the second rumor that Games Radar has posted now that is completely untrue. >Link
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ill believe it when i see it. they stated that games were running on final dev kits at this year's E3 but the dev units were much larger then the casing. also i found it odd how they were really vague about their specs this year as apposed to last year (dont give me they already listed them because with the ps1 and ps2 they kept reminding people of the specs even months leading up to launch). this is also coming from the same company would insisted it would launch in the spring a few weeks before announcing the delay

So it makes perfect sense to believe a website that has already had confirmed misrepresentations of the truth? Good logic. How about we just wait for official word as the launch date draws closer, we still have 154 days to go.

Isn't that what he said when he stated "ill believe it when i see it", DUH!

Games Radar is probably funded by MS.

He silver, take note of the body of his message. Thanks.

yes Optx, what you said is what i already stated. i believe very few sites and take most of my info from the developers themselves (interviews and such). but with this subject i am going by with what SONY has shown us. their finished dev kits are larger then the ps3 casing, what of that is hard to understand?

I read the rest of his comments, he just expressed why he had doubts and explained how he had been let down before. This was done to reinforce his first statement "ill believe it when i see it"

What did I miss?

I wonder where the optaviusx is hiding now....probably he is speaking directly with the (uknown) developers about the 2.8 Gh of the cell....idiot

Kenny i agree with you anti-optaviusx is a sony fanboy just face it they are having trouble and are to proud to admit it, btw there site is not funded by MS u fanboy.

There's no correlation between the size of the dev kit and the final product. Otherwise systems like the PSP and DS would come with backpacks.

So... let me get this straight... You're going to write off a website because they've told A lie before, in order to believe SONY, who has obviously never told a lie, overhyped a product, misrepresented specs, or downgraded a system before...

We'll see, sooner or later... that is if they have enough blu-ray units to actually launch, or any of the many other issues plaguing this sytem don't clear up.

Where am I hiding you say morgan??? Are you that stupid? First off... I've made it clear countless times that Microsoft has gone through the same exact problems that sony is going through currently. The cell AS OF NOW is at 2.8GHZ you think Sony is going to tell you that? You don't need to be a genius to know how the building of a console works. If everything was as finalized as sony would have you believe the console would be released already. The Xbox360 didn't have a FINAL 3.2GHZ xenon processor until 2 months before its november 2005 launch. Its impossible to believe that sony like Microsoft is having similar troubles except with a more complex and larger processor? Fact is of course sony is going to come out and deny this stuff (and they'd be stupid not to if they are confident they'll meet the promised specs come launch)

The way some people think.. its as if Sony is perfect in every single way and the cell and rsx were finalized back in 2005... If sony wasn't having problems they would've made that spring launch they lied about months in advance thinking they could have specs finalized by then. Anyone remember at the consumer electronics show january this year? Sony said all developers have received FINAL dev kits we are launching spring then again at GDC they said all developers now have final dev kits, then at E3 they said all developers now have final dev kits. The ps3 dev kits at E3 were only SECOND gen dev kits.. there will be 2 maybe 3 more revisions before everything is in order.

A developer on IGN basically indirectly suggested sony is having problems currently with the ps3. A Japanese developer said he was surprised to hear sony mention a launch date especially for this year when he expected them to wait till 2007. Again Sony is not perfect get it out of your heads... they've overpromised and undelivered many times before we've already seen signs of it with no dual hdmi for dual 1080p at 120fps, no second ethernet port, they said they wouldn't do a dual sku (they did and the cheaper version lacks capabilities of the more expensive version) They didn't once mention cell or rsx specs at E3.

The ps2 was promised to have all the things just now capable on the Xbox360 in regards to the marketplace, downloadable trailers, music, demos, you name it. It was all promised for the ps2. Microsoft isn't perfect either they've made mistakes as well, but lately Microsofts tends to be backing up their talk rather than just talking.

The final dev kits delivered since january thing we all know is a lie because you still got kojima right now saying he doesn't have a final dev kit and you got square that has said the same exact thing? Who's lying? Sony.. or is it Kojima, Square Enix and all the other ps3 developers?

Some people just have trouble understanding certain things. I said as of right now the cell processor is 2.8GHZ does that mean it can't change in time for launch? No, but the yields right now for 3.2GHZ cells are turning up with atleast 2 or more dead spes which makes them no good. (It takes time to get good chip yields) If there is only 1 dead spe thats no big deal as they only plan to use 7 anyway.

First of all, never did Sony say games were running on final dev kits, more like "almost final". And besides, the size of a dev kit has nothing to do with the actual size of the console (if I remember it right, the dev kit of a PS2 is huge).

And optaviusx, for a while (after GDC) Sony has said that final devkits will be delivered to devs starting from June (so the devs should start getting final dev kits). The "real" probelms were/are with stuff about the Bluray (that's why there are no Bluray players around yet). All the time they've been saying "almost final". Basically that could mean anything. Never did they say FINAL.

all good and well and probably most of what you are saying is right..but i dare you to prove to all of us where you get this 2.8Gh you keep saying for the current speed of the ps3 dev kits.....dont bother ....you cant...and you know it...its just a speculation.

Sony said during January's CES of this year they have already delivered final dev kits. I have videos from CES of it being said by kuturagi in interviews and onstage and assured the ps3 would launch in spring.

Morgan even if I could provide a recording of the telephone conversation between me and someone else stating the current speed of the cell processor I still wouldn't bother because he could get in trouble because of an NDA he signed. Morgan you do know that with a new console there are NUMEROUS dev kits released until devs get their hands on a final dev kit? Its been like this for the longest. If sony had everything as finalized as people believe the ps3 would have made spring launch you think sony would wait around like this if the ps3 specs were finalized and in the hands of developers?

First of all, I'm pretty sure Sony took out the Dual-HDMI and the 3 ethernet ports due to the fact that people are not going to use that anytime soon and theres no need for 3 ethernet ports if you cant use it as a router. So its a good thing Sony took those out to bring the price down. Sony might have underpromised on stuff, but Microsoft has too. They are constantly removing features in their Vista OS that they've said they would put, when the Xbox first came out they also said just like Sony that their console was gonna do "Toy-Story graphics" lol. All multi-billion dollar companies will lie to get you to buy their stuff. I say get over it and just buy the thing :D

Keep in mind I'm not trying to bash the ps3 by any stroke of the imagination. I can stand here and admit to you guys that EVEN at 2.8GHZ the ps3's cpu has higher peak theoretical power than the 360's cpu. So its not like it would make the ps3 some joke of a console it would just lose a bit of power. Again I'm not saying they wont hit 3.2GHZ come launch, but as of now I'm 100% without a shadow of a doubt correct when I say the cell as of right now is 2.8GHZ. Take it or leave it, but thats the truth. I'll end off here my last comment on this topic. :)

The dual hdmi and extra ethernet prots were bragged about by many (which I've seen) so one can't all of a sudden claim they don't care about when they were using the ps3's "capability" to do 1080p or dual 1080p at the same time as a sign of its superiority over the 360. I agree with you though that stuff was pointless, but many people have JUST now taken that stance because they were removed, but they were bragging when they thought they were getting it.

A 2.8GHZ cell isn't too far in terms of power from a 3.2GHZ cell and it wont affect the development proces any know why? Because developers wont be getting 100% out of the ps3 for years to come. Developers have yet to get a 100% out of the 360 and its far easier to program for.

November cant come soon enough. All this trash talk is stupid.

Where are you taking this Opta...

I see you are trying to tackle this but your not answering the reason why Sony has responded.

What you saying is correct to some point...but it does not reflect the true picture of what you are making it out to be.

Handle the situation at Hand...this is a response to what is being said in the media article across the net about the PS3 CELL getting a downgrade...

We know this is becuase the Devs kit which DEVS are using are not final...and are at 2.8ghz.

Yet we all know that the FINAL dev kits are 3.2ghz....and are still being delivered as rightly you have pointed out.

So please understand this is normal and nothing to worry about...read the reponse from the Sony guy and you'll understand why this would not happen.

Also Final Devs Kits are still being delivered and this has coem from a DEV that has not recieved there Final 3.2ghz Dev Kit...

SO RELAX... :)

to whoever said sony never stated that games were running on final dev kits yet, you are wrong. watch the sony press conference and near the end it is stated that many of the games on the show floor are running on final dev kits.

Who cares? The shit is still too expensive

Yea I understand what sony is doing and they'd be crazy not to respond to things that they haven't publically stated themselves especially when it reflects on their product in a bad way.

The only thing I had an issue with was the fact that some people act as if there is no way the console can be anything less than what the final specs will be considering there is so much time to go. Pre orders for the ps3 are well on their way and retailers are telling everyone they might not get their ps3 till 2007 due to the fact they've been told to expect small numbers. Any surprise that the Microsoft dev said europe will be the true battleground for next gen gaming and the ps3 is coming out in europe first?

So what you putting forward is that

There Might be "POSSIBLE" change in Specs in your mind...

That there will be Shortages...

And you trying to get this across to some of these people...

Opta Save it...I thought you where geniunly trying to address the confustion about the WHOLE downgrade in SPECS articles that have been out...

Yet you turn out to be another lost critic, who is taking just creating more RUMORS/SPECUALTION to twist FACTS...

You clutching at Straws mate..

Not at all retailers in europe say they expect to get only a short amount of 360s how is that me clutching at straws? This is what actually retailers in the uk are saying. How anticipated is the ps3? No matter how many sony tries to bring this november there WILL be shortages.

Time to address that I'm saying there might be possible changes in specs. Note I said "as if there is no way the console can be anything less than what the final specs will be CONSIDERING THERE IS SO MUCH TIME TO GO =P Meaning there is alot of time left before the ps3 launch the cpu could be as low as 2.2GHZ and they'd still have enough time to sort it out before launch. Alot of developers complained that Microsoft didn't deliver final development kits on time (they were delivered 2 months before november launch)



There is plenty of time for sony to do better than delivering final hardware a mere 2 months before launch. 6 more months for sony to make a 2.8GHZ cell a 3.2GHZ cell more than enough time. I'm not saying there will spec downgrades on the ps3 I'm just saying as of now cell is 2.8GHZ they are extremely close to their mark. This sort've thing doesn't mean sony is behind or struggling it happened to Microsoft with the 360 its happening with nintendo currently with the actual gpu for the console not even present at E3 2006 and its happening to sony now with the cell. RSX is finalized now according to sources, but sony needs to get more rsx final dev kits out to developers only some have them (kojima doesn't even have a final rsx right now)

Which means MGS4 will look ALOT better when he does get his hands on one. The pcm for the ps3 goes into mass production at the end of this month.

The only developers that need to be worried are devs that plan to have launch titles or anything close to launch like the 360's launch they will barely show the potential of the console. People waiting for MGS4 don't have a single thing to worry about as Kojima releases that game when he wants he's not under the gun by Konami to finish until he feels its ready. I expect MGS4 late 2007 at the earliest more realistically mid 2008.

So...

Yes the current DEV KITS are 2.8 ghz...but those are not final.

The Final DEV kits are being Sent out at Final Spec with CELL at 3.2ghz and will reach DEVs before Launch.

Im sure that the LAUNCH title Publishers will get there Final Kits...before the PS3 releases and is in out hands

Of course I believe they'll have their hands on 3.2GHZ cells before launch there is no reason to believe otherwise until we find the ps3 is launched and we find out what the specifications are on the console.

Devs need to have their hands on final dev kits by no later than July 17th so they can have time to make much needed additions or changes to game code. 360 devs getting final dev kits 2 months before launch didn't do them any favors. PGR3 is great launch title though although it would've looked better and ran much faster if they had the time to change the code.

The 15 minute trailer clearly tells that MGS4 will be released in 2007 (not mid 2008).

da man always expect delays look for mgs4 in spring 2008.