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2008/09/04 11:52:05: Posted by DM
We all know about the Xbox360 price cuts by now, but here is the official press release info from Microsoft. That $199 price is going to sell a lot of hardware, we think.

PRESS RELEASE

REDMOND, Wash. — Sept. 3, 2008 — Imagine if friends and families had the ability to instantly watch movies from Netflix, live out their musical fantasies through “Rock Band 2” (Harmonix/MTV Games) and “Lips” (iNiS Corp./Microsoft Game Studios), star in their own Hollywood classics with “You’re in the Movies,” or have the power to never miss the latest episode of “Heroes” — all from one device, starting at $199.1 That device is Xbox 360, and Microsoft Corp. today announced it will offer the gaming and entertainment console, which offers the leading Xbox LIVE service, at a new low price in the United States. Beginning Sept. 5, Xbox 360 Arcade will retail for the estimated retail price of $199.99, the Xbox 360 console for $299.99 and Xbox 360 Elite for $399.99.


“We are thrilled to be the first next-generation console on the market to reach $199, a price that invites everyone to enjoy Xbox 360,” said Don Mattrick, senior vice president of the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft. “Xbox 360 delivers amazing performance at an extraordinary value with the leading online service and best lineup of games, downloadable movies and TV shows available from a console. The majority of consumers make the decision to buy consoles once the price falls to this mark, making this an important milestone for consumers and the industry.”

History shows that more than 75 percent of all console sales happen after the price falls below the $200 mark. For millions of consumers who have been waiting for the perfect time to buy an Xbox 360 console, their moment has finally arrived. At $199, Xbox 360 is the most affordable next-generation console on the market, offering something for everyone with the most dynamic, interactive entertainment experiences available.

Xbox 360 Arcade plus a 12-month Xbox LIVE Gold Membership and a Netflix subscription costs $100 less than 12 months of digital cable. Xbox 360 invites everyone into a limitless world where the best games, movies and TV shows can be enjoyed live side-by-side with your personal pictures and music library.

No matter what kind of game makes your heart race, Xbox 360 has something for everyone. Music lovers can play new games such as “Lips” (iNiS/Microsoft Game Studios), the only singing game that offers wireless motion-sensitive microphones and the ability to sing along to your own music collection; 2 “Guitar Hero®World Tour” (Activision/RedOctane); and “Rock Band 2” (Harmonix/MTV Games), the next evolution of the franchise exclusively launching on Xbox 360 that allows players to virtually step into the shoes of their favorite bands. Players can enjoy family-friendly games such as the big-screen movie-maker “You’re in the Movies” (Codemasters Software Company Ltd./Microsoft) and blockbusters such as “Gears of War 2,” the biggest entertainment event of this holiday season. Plus, with Xbox LIVE Arcade, downloadable games are available that the entire family can enjoy — with titles such as “Braid,” “Castle Crashers,” “Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2,” “PAC-MAN Championship Edition” and “Uno.”3

Whether you want access to streaming movies and TV shows or a library of high-definition content, you will find it on Xbox 360. Starting this fall, Xbox 360 is the only game console to offer instant streaming of more than 12,000 feature films and television shows from Netflix.4 In addition, the Xbox LIVE Video store has more than twice as many hours of high-definition (HD) movies and TV shows than the nearest competitor.5 Download your favorite TV shows such as “30 Rock,” “The Office” and “House,” and even get a little old school with “The A-Team.” If it’s movies you want, check out the latest blockbusters and the best in family films, cult classics, horror and much more, all available through Xbox LIVE and Xbox 360.

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Comments

Written by daveydz3 on 2008/09/04

Crazy. This is definitely good for those still waiting out. The features the xbox360 provide after the fall update will be phenomenal i think.

of course this press release doesn't tell you that in order to take advantage of most of the newest features you'll need a hard drive and not at that magical price point of $199

but reading that press release it is a really good one and whoever wrote it did a great job. I think the hype is insurmountable and it even excites a salty gamer like me
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/04

@daveydz3

Agreed. That's downright deceiving. At the very least the press release should have a little asterisk and a footnote that states a hard drive is required. Kinda reinforces my belief that that Core/Arcade is a scam to trick unsuspecting buyers into buying it who will only find out later that they have to spend lot more money to do all the stuff their kids are going to want to do.

Good prices though. Definitely not going to hurt sales.
Written by tr1p1ea on 2008/09/04

Might not hurt sales, but will it hurt profits?
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/04

lmao @ madgunde.

Sky's pet strikes again. Yeah it's a scam alright /sarcasm.

Tell me madgunde, if your mom purchased an Arcade pack, what would your mom "have to" buy for you to play games on it?

With the Arcade pack you can play games, play online, watch netflix movies, etc. The ONLY thing you can't do is DL crap off of the marketplace (outside of XBLA games)

Yeah sure sounds like a scam alright.

I love how you first go on telling davey that you agree, just to twist it around like he's mainly talking about the Arcade pack's limitations. How shocking that you can spew so much BS from one simple line.

@ tr1p1ea, this will eat into profits, no doubt, but they have never really made any real money off of the systems to begin with.
Written by PimpDaddy on 2008/09/04

tr1p1ea: I'm sure it's bound to hurt profits. But at this point Microsoft is trying to gain more market share...
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/04

Sorry, forgot Netflix is streaming, not downloading, so it doesn't require a hard drive? If this is the case, I retract my previous comment. I was mistaken in thinking it was required for watching Netflix movies.
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/04

As usual, you tink wrong mangina (that's your new name BTW)

Besides while you were too busy trying to downplay the topic and twist around davey's comment you forgot to keep in mind that anyone that's going to buy a video game system is going to do SOME research before jumping in. Anyone who can drop a couple hundred $$ without a thought can surely afford the 60GB pack easily with that kind of money.

Please just stay out of the 360 related threads if you have nothing meaningful to add.
Written by kr0niXz on 2008/09/04

I really wonder what Sony is going to do now. I may buy a PS3 if they drop it, but I don't think Sony can lose anymore... Microsoft sure has a great strategy going on though that's for sure...
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/04

Sigh. Are you always such an @sshole just because someone disagrees with you? I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stoop to your level. It's exactly this kind of childish schoolyard bullying and name calling that I tried to bring to people's attention to before.

Funny how I admitted I was wrong and you can't be man enough to simply accept that. Probably because it's exactly what you have accused me of not being capable of doing, even though this isn't the first time.

As if you've never been wrong.
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/04

Ok, even though you said that you won't stoop to my level of name calling just to call me an @sshole, I'll lighten up and apologize since I REALLY don't want another topic to go down that endless spiral.

Also, I'm not an a$$hole to people who disagree with me, everyone here doesn't think exactly as I do, but I'm not hard on them like I am on you and sky. Why? Because you guys seem to be on this pointless crusade to downplay anything 360 related and twist things around as a negative. You can't deny that you totally twisted davey's comment around.

So yes, I am sorry, you did admit you were wrong and I should have just left it alone. I was just bothered by how quick you were to assume what's not true. So please understand that my issue with you is not about your opinion, but how you like to comment on matters that you don't understand. So again, I apologize, I shouldn't have jumped on you like that.

And yes, I have been wrong plenty of times, and I enjoy it. When I'm wrong, I try to learn from it, hope you do the same.

ps you were wrong on just more than the netflix thing though wink.gif
Written by PimpDaddy on 2008/09/04

madgunde: Pot meet kettle. Troll much??? :p

Anyways. I'm not sure how much this will help Microsoft. We won't really know for a few more months till once the holiday shopping season hits.

I just think that the 360 has reached that saturation point because it has been out a year longer than it's competition. So only time will tell if this will push them ahead of thier competition again...

If not then as along as they continue to sell at the rate they are, then they are still on a great pace to outperform the original Xbox. Plus they have firmly established themselves as a real "player" in the videogame market.
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/04

Pimp:

They won't catch up to the Wii, that's for sure, but it'll help to keep their lead over sony. Honestly, both Sony and MS are just fighting for 2nd place and I think they both know it. Don [the Tool] Mattrick admitted that he's not confident in catching up to the Wii and Sony stating that they are pushing for profit over marketshare also shows that they aren't after 1st place anymore.

In the end it's a 2 way battle for 2nd place and when the dust settles, the difference will be so small that it will be pointless to declare either the victor of that trivial position.

For the first time in the video game industry we have 3 strong players, and I think it's lovely.

And I'm not a troll lol so no calling me a pot or a kettle.
Written by PimpDaddy on 2008/09/04

Kenny K: I think we can all be guilty of trolling, flaming, bias, fanboyism, etc...

I admit from time to time I will be a jerk and say something controversial in a Sony thread. But it's my opinion and I will freely share with others whether they like it or not :p

Yes I am afraid that the Wii will reign supreme this generation. Just like i think the PS3 will eventually surpass the 360 between 2010-2011 due to it's Blu-Ray/videogame player combination.

But that being said. I got to play games in HD a year earlier. Got a fully featured/integrated online gaming service. Achievments/force feedback/in game custom music etc... from day one.

Oh and no RROD either :p

PimpDaddy +1

Written by Sky on 2008/09/04

madgunde is not my pet.. he is my apprentice. He speaks logic and like myself, brings valid arguments to the table.. and I agree with him one 1 time.. this generation. MS has Ripped off there customers more then any other gaming company

1. Shoddy hardware

2. 50 year live/ silver owners cant download new demos right away

3. 100 wifi PSP WII PS3 and DS*? have it built it

4. the elite is the new tard pack as compared to the 399 PS3 it's sh!tty with no bang for bucks

5. worst customer service

6. over priced BS HDD's

7. 50 bucks for a HDMI/optical tacky looking doogle

8. its a cheaper price because is cheaply made. I swear I heard a freight train turning it on

9. there exclusives vs Sony's exclusives from now going forward.. aren't stacking up as nicely

10. I f*cking hate um

Sky + Madgunde +10
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/04

Sky, please. Just don't. I am my own person and speak my own opinions. I'm not on an agenda, and I'm certainly not your pet or your apprentice. I got nothing against you, I just don't like people trying to use some kind of non-existent association between us two as an excuse to try and belittle my opinion.
Written by Sky on 2008/09/04

If you thought I was serious. I feel sorry for you Gunde
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/04

By the way Sky, I do agree with your points #1, 2, 3 and 6. Other things I disliked was having to pay extra for rechargeable battery packs (the Wii has this limitation too). When spending that kind of money on electronics, the thought of having to buy AA batteries just seems really outdated to me.

I didn't think you were serious, I just don't need the attention.
Written by Sky on 2008/09/04

Anytime you defend Sony (even when it's valid), the slightest on this site you will get attention.

maybe i should be clear more when I'm serious and joking around

I was dead serious about #10 though.
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/04

@PimpDaddy

I know you're just kidding (thus, the smiley), but I hope you don't really think I was trolling. It's not trolling if your intention isn't to piss people off. I honestly thought the hard drive was required. If the hard drive were required for Netflix, I'd have a very good point, no?
Written by Sky on 2008/09/04

stop crying madgunde. It does not matter what pimp daddy thinks. his logic is slightly flawed and tainted..
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/04

@Kenny K

It was not my intention to twist Davey's words around. If that's the way it came off, my apologies, although I'm still not sure how you saw it that way. I agreed with everything he said, and then I went on to add what I felt about it. The period after the word agreed indicates the end of a sentence and the start of a new thought. I think you read my post as "Agreed, that it's downright deceiving." But that's not what I wrote.

@Sky

Seriously. Stop piggybacking on my posts to take shots at other members. That goes for Kenny K as well. You guys have a problem with each other, leave me out of it.
Written by PimpDaddy on 2008/09/05

Sky: Stop cussing. Get it. Got it. Good. BTW thanks for showing up to the Warhawk tournament. Your just another reason why PS3 owners have bad reputations for not buying/playing games. I guess watching BrokeBack Mountain on Blu-Ray was more important for you huh. Your right my opinion is full of bias. To me the 360 offers a better "videogame" experience than the PS3.

Madgunde: What you would call a valid opinion others would call trolling. Yes I am giving you crap. Because nobody besides you knows your true intent. Also for the crap your talking about batteries, don't you think Sony should have included some HD cables in the PS3 since it is the only "true" HD videogame console on the market? And please don't come back at me with how cheap HDMI cables are. It should have been in the box...

Everyone: Stop cussing. I'm done with it. Edit out your curse words or get immediately suspended. It's not hard to edit out the cuss words. Seriously it's like the easiet rule to follow on here. I feel like a damn school teacher trying to grade your exams.



You know what I and everyone else would love to see. KennyK and Sky going at it on FlamingWars. Sky when you grow a pair hit me up and I will set up the proper forum on that site. I know KennyK wouldn't back down from a challenge...

Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

"Written by madgunde on 2008/09/04

@Kenny K

It was not my intention to twist Davey's words around. If that's the way it came off, my apologies, although I'm still not sure how you saw it that way. I agreed with everything he said, and then I went on to add what I felt about it. The period after the word agreed indicates the end of a sentence and the start of a new thought. I think you read my post as "Agreed, that it's downright deceiving." But that's not what I wrote."

I won't even reply to Sky seeing as how he's just become this woman crying for attention.

Anyways, I see now what you intended and I was wrong. The way I read it was that you agreed with what davey said, but were only agreeing with his line about the "need" for the HDD. I see that you were only adding your own opinion on top of it, no matter how hateful it was =p

Regarding sky's list, most of it is crap or exaggerated beyond belief. And there's going to be a day when you fanboys get off the "shoddy hardware" when the problems have been fixed. Of course let's ignore the improvements and achievements of a company because we don't like them. I would never go on to say that sony hasn't improved greatly this gen, I said in the other topic in fact.

I guess when you really don't have much to go on, grasping for straws is the only way to go.
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/05

@Kenny K

I can acknowledge MS's improvements and achievements. They had a solid lead on Sony, and probably will for some time. The pricing has come down (although I never complained about them being too expensive to begin with), and the Arcade, after the price cut is not as poor a value as the Core was in my opinion, namely because of the inclusion of HDMI, a wireless controller and a memory card.

That being said, I still feel the Arcade offers a poor value for the vast majority of gamers because for $100 more, you get so much more. Anyone who does their research will likely conclude this and end up getting the $299 unit. If this is the case, this means the majority of people buying the Arcade are people who don't do their research, and buy it not realizing the next model up is far better value.

In a way, I see the Arcade as a bait and switch tactic (not literally, but very similar). It's only there to be able to advertise the $199 price point and get people into stores. Once they're there, if they take the time to compare what they get between the two SKUs, and how much extra it's going to cost for extras for the Arcade to do what they want (HD cable, ethernet cable, hard drive or additional memory cards), they'll likely walk out with the more expensive unit.
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

@ madgunde

I understand what you mean, but it's a huge exaggeration to say that it's a "scam".

Besides, you need to realize that you're thinking from a gamers perspective and not a casual buyer's perspective. I agree, to you and I the HDD is a must, no doubt there. However to the average ps2/GC/xbox owner who didn't buy a console last gen until they reached the "mass market" price would be just fine with the Arcade. There is actually a larger market for the Arcade than there is for any other SKU out there, the Wii is proof of that alone. These people don't care about HD cables, online features (much), storage space, etc. They want what they have had for the last two generation, a console that they can put a game in and play their Madden, Halo, or whatever few games they will buy a year.

Anyone that is enough of a gamer to really "need" the Pro or Elite SKUs should know what to expect from each model. Besides even IF someone is "scammed" into buying an Arcade SKU, and it really bothers them that much, they can always go out and pick up the 60GB pack (including headset, 3months of Live, ethernet cable, etc) for $99 which would equate to spending the same if they were to get a Pro to begin with.

So yeah, I really don't get the over dramatized hate towards the Arcade and the effect it has on the consumers.
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/05

I had a recent sticker shock moment when I bought my Wii and Wii Fit. After buying the Wii, Wii Play (with extra WiiMote, only $15 more than the mote by itself), an extra nunchuck, the Wii Fit and rechargeable battery packs/chargers for the two WiiMotes and the Fit, plus the cheapest third party component video cable, my total after tax price was $585! Now if I get use out of it to get active on a regular basis and it helps me get healthier, then it will have been worth every penny. But from a technology standpoint, I can't help but feel I've been taken advantage of somewhat.

I mean, for that money, I could have bought an 80GB PS3 with an extra controller and HDMI cable and have $60 to spare. It kinda hurt.

@Kenny K

I already retracted my scam remark, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up again. I wasn't aware of this 60GB pack including the headset for $99. What's the point of the middle SKU then? Am I missing something or is the only difference Hexic, but you don't get the games that come with the Arcade?
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/05

Another question I have is how adequate is 256MB of memory for storing save games? Is it likely that someone will feel the need to get another memory card within a year because they fill up the 256MB one that comes with their 360? What about if you consider 2 or more family members sharing it? Because from what I can tell, the cheapest option is to spend $50 on a 512MB card, which is a total rip off considering 1GB of flash memory now goes for under $10 and you can get the 60GB hard drive pack supposedly for $99 (I can't find it on the Best Buy website, is that new?).
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

Yeah I agree and have always said that the Wii is overpriced for the tech included. I would have rather the Wii launched without Wii play for $200 (like in Japan) or at least have two SKUs one with and one without the pack in game. There's a image of value though that Ninty needs to uphold. Especially in the electronic market, you take a risk by selling your product for too cheap and having people think that there is something wrong with your product to reach that price.

Value is subjective for each user involved. Even though I would much rather the Wii be $50 cheaper, I still wouldn't hesitate to buy one since I know I would get my money's worth.

@ madgunde

I really didn't mean to hang on to your scam comment, I was trying to just use it as an example towards how the hate over the Arcade SKU is exaggerated.

Yes, the 60GB HDD pack includes 3 months of Live, headset, and I think a transfer cable, component cables, and ethernet cord. So what's the point of the Pro SKU? It's for people that want everything in one package and a chrome DVD tray lol =p
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

@ madgunde:

Game saves average around 3MB on the 360, of course that's just an average but it should give an idea. This could roughly hold around 85 game saves, more than any casual or even hardcore gamer will buy.

Also please don't go there with these memory cards being a rip off when the 8MB ps2 memory cards are still around $20-$30. Memory cards have always been a rip off, it just hasn't been known to you sony fans until this gen.

The 60GB pack isn't out yet, it's due out this month. If you look at store, like Target, they are putting their 20GB HDDs on clearance for $60 to clear out room for the $60GB pack. The 120GB has already dropped in price to $150.

I don't know if your really trying to find something to complain about or if these are legit questions, but it's not as bad as you or Sky thinks it is.
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/05

@Kenny K

I never owned a PS2 and couldn't care less. Just because Sony's memory cards WERE a ripoff last gen it's ok to overlook the fact that the 360's currently are a rip off? If anything, this is a great example of where Sony has improved and Microsoft has taken a step back, since no XBox 1 owners ever needed a memory card. Credit where credit is due.

My questions are legit, I couldn't find the answer myself and depending on what the answers are, my opinion may change.

I guess it really does depend on the game. I had over 100 game saves for Oblivion alone. Mind you, I admit I didn't need to keep so many, but it was nice to be able to. I guess I'm just not used to the idea of having to worry about how many saves you keep since I never owned a console that needed memory cards (since they've always been a rip off) and before my Xbox 1, I did all my gaming on computers where storage is cheap.
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

Ok, step away from the SDF crusade for a bit and THINK because you really are going down that fanboy road again with this last comment.

I never overlooked anything, I just said that it's stupid to bring up a $50 512MB memory card as a rip off if another company is STILL selling a 8MB memory card for $20-$30. The ps2 memory cards ARE a rip off now and by your "flash drive" logic it should be $5. I don't understand how something that is older and yet still expensive can only be considered a rip off in the past, makes no sense what so ever. Quit it with the spinning. Personally I never had an issue buying memory cards and I don't understand all the crying over something that is optional this gen.

As for the rest of your post, AGAIN, your opinion and experiences stem from a gamer's point of view. The AVERAGE gamer will not game or use memory like you or I would.

Read it and understand it already.

Sony fanboy: leaving logic at the door since 1995.
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/05

OK, sorry, the PS2's memory card is still a ripoff. I already said I think all memory cards are a ripoff and the reason I bought an Xbox last gen and not a PS2. I'm only interested in the current gen consoles. The PS2's design is the way it is and isn't going to change. As proprietary stuff gets older it rarely continues to get cheaper. Exactly why it sucks that MS chose to go the memory card route this gen. In 5 years, they'll most likely be an even bigger ripoff than they are now, just like the PS2 cards are. You keep making this a MS vs. Sony debate, while I'm only interested in an Xbox 360 vs. PS3 debate. To me, that is less fan-boyish since I'm concentrating on the game systems themselves, not the companies.
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

It's all relevant though. You can't b!tch or single out what one company does while ignoring that the company you support STILL does the EXACT same thing.

Quit picking and choosing what to pay attention to when it's all related. I'm trying to keep ALL fanboy comparisons out of this topic seeing as how I don't understand what the 360 price drop has anything to do with with Sony in general.

I don't understand how it's a bad thing that MS is offering memory cards this gen. It acts as a cheaper alternative than the HDD for those who don't need one. Yeah, getting the 60GB HDD for $50 more is a better value, but why pay the extra $$ if you don't need it. So giving people a cheaper option is all of a sudden a bad thing in your world?

You REALLY need to sit down and think about the market we're discussing here, because your mentality is WAY off to what is and is not appropriate for that kind of gamer.
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/05

That's where you're wrong Kenny. I'm not supporting a company. I'm supporting my choice and opinion about current gen consoles. You keep making it about the companies. Why can't I think that both the PS2 and Xbox 360's choice to use overpriced memory cards are a rip off while simultaneously feel that the PS3's choice to not go that route is a good thing? I don't understand why it has to be all or nothing with you, when it's exactly that sort of thing that you claim to really hate (meaning blind fanboyism)? Or is it just that because you've already put me in this Sony fanboy mold that when the reality has me not fitting in that mold, you just can't shatter that mold and adapt? Because it really feels like that's what you're doing.
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

What is there to adapt to? You are a sony fanboy, plain and simple. You tried to twist the discussion around to be "less fan-boyish"?? There is no such thing, you're either a fanboy or you're not.

As for your opinion, express it all you want, but the more you do the more you prove how biased you are. It's fine to think that memory cards are a rip off, like I said earlier, they always have been even though it never bothered me. However you twist around said opinions to elevate the ps3 on a pedestal in terms of value when the memory cards shouldn't even be a factor in this when they aren't "forced" on anyone using any SKU.

And for the LAST TIME, value is subjective to the user. Please tell me why my manager (who may pick up a system this weekend) should see the ps3 as a better value when: he doesn't play online, doesn't have a HDTV, wants to spend the least amount of money possible, and MAYBE picks up 2 or 3 games a year. Really, I want you to spin that to show why the ps3 is the "better" value for a consumer like him. I'll be waiting because it seems that you STILL don't understand the market we're talking about here.

It's amazing how you don't see your biased fanboy "opinions". All of a sudden giving consumers the CHOICE for more memory, which is NOT needed, is considered a bad thing?

I'm sorry but fanboys put their console of choice on a pedestal out of fear, ignorance, or both. I don't see how the lack of an OPTIONAL memory card for the ps3 is a good thing, but then I also don't see how it's a bad thing. I DON'T elevate one console over the other like you are so dedicated to do.

Lay off your fanboy crusade because it's getting REALLY annoying.

By throwing you're system comparison war BS in this topic, you're doing a great job ruining yet another discussion.

Keep up the good work fanboy! /sarcasm
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/05

Here we go again. You don't agree with my opinion, get frustrated that you can't change my opinion, so you resort to calling me a fanboy and biased as though you aren't a fanboy and biased as well. I know, you already admitted to being such, so you can throw it out all you want. No. If you're a fanboy and biased, then it's simply not right to use that as an argument to try and convince the other person that they are wrong. These discussions would go a lot further if you'd stop doing that.

Value is subjective to the user. In MY OPINION the average person who buys the Arcade is doing so because they think it's going to save them money. However, in MY OPINION, most of those users will end up ponying up for a hard drive sooner or later, or a couple of memory cards (or both), and possibly an ethernet cable and HDMI or Component video cables, and so will end up paying more for their investment than they initially thought. You're more than welcome to disagree and express why you disagree, and I won't say your opinion doesn't matter because you're a fanboy and biased. I'll simply respect your opinion as yours, not as some universal truth.

Sorry, didn't finish that thought about paying more for their investment than they initially thought. I meant to add, more than it would have cost them if they had just bought the mid-level SKU.
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

I never admitted to being a fanboy or biased, I said everyone has a certain level of bias, although SOME (like you) take it to the extreme.

Good job avoiding my question, it's official now, you're f^ckin clue-less and there is no point in carrying ANY discussion with you.

So please keep spewing your "opinion" and ignore that it's flawed in MANY ways. F^ckin tool

Here's an idea, LEARN THAT YOUR OPINION DOES NOT APPLY TO OTHERS. <- THAT is the only universal truth
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

Keep it up, I really hope you get banned.

If you would like I can waste my time and pick apart your "opinion" to show you how flawed it is. Not that you'll listen because of course everything in the market goes by your opinion.

We can even take this nice...................and...................slow and I can help teach you like you just got off the short bus.

It would be a fun game, I think we should play.

Just MAYBE you'll learn something.
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

What are you backpeddling out of this one too? You were so gun-hoe when it was just about "your opinion" but did you realize just now that your opinion doesn't apply to the overall market? God I hope so.
Written by madgunde on 2008/09/05

@Kenny K

lol. So sad.
Written by Kenny K on 2008/09/05

@ madgunde

Good job avoiding reality.

Maybe you could tell me how it's sad. Maybe you could back up what you say for once.

Or maybe you can stop being so one sided for once.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Good just ruining another topic with your ignorance, man I really hope "someone" puts a stop to it in the future, this is another topic that could have gone a lot better.

I really don't understand why you have to ignore everything I say. Seriously, what is it that you have against me that you can't see the merit of what I'm trying to say?

I'm sorry madgunde, but your opinion means nothing to a consumer like my manager. So it's fine for you to think that "most" of the people who get an Arcade pack will be "forced" into buying a HDD. And even if they did get the HDD, it's obvious that they wouldn't pay more for an Arcade + accessories than just picking up the Pro system.

So why is it so hard to see how your opinion is flawed?
Written by arthur56k on 2008/09/06

i dont know why people say price cuts will lower profits.

lets say they sell more consoles, that may well translate in the selling more games, and that translates to royalties from anything that isnt first or second party.

they end up selling more peripherals, having more online users, i mean, this is no different from what any company does when production costs go down
Written by PimpDaddy on 2008/09/06

arthur56k: I think they mean losing money as in how much they make/lose due to the cost of manufacturing the console itself. We all know that they make thier money back on accessories, services, and royalties for game/movie sales.
Written by arthur56k on 2008/09/08

its something you have to do for business to expand and ensure that the future holds more potential in terms if revenue base, than trying to sit on the present and constricting future expansion.
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