Killzone 2 To Outsell MGS4 Says Sony >
2009/01/07 13:34:09: Posted by DM
An unnamed Sony rep related that Sony has big expectations for their first big PS3 title of 2009, Killzone 2. Sony is expecting the game to outsell even Metal Gear Solid 4. MGS4 sold well, about 4.3 million copies worldwide by November 2008. If Killzone 2 does half as good, that will be very good for SCE. Time will tell, but the first review from the Official US Playstation Mag gave Killzone 2 a 5/5.

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Written by madgunde on 2009/01/07

I believe it, if only for one reason: multiplayer. MGO sucks, but KillZone 2's multiplayer side is supposed to be excellent, similar in nature to COD4. If it's as good as it's sounding (and looking), that means the game will have legs and won't suffer from as rapid a sales drop after the initual launch as MGS4 since there's more potential for people to get "hooked" after seeing it at their friend's house. I just hope the game lives up to the expectations, because this is my most anticipated game since I got my launch PS3.
Written by PimpDaddy on 2009/01/07

Not trying to hate. But remember MGS4 was bundled everywhere. So MGS4's sales are artificially inflated. From all the hype I would expect KZ2 to outsell MGS4 heads up. But not so sure if it can surpass the combined bundled and stand-alone sales of 4.3 million. Especially when looking at the performance of other First Party PS3 games.
Written by Sky on 2009/01/07

Inflated by how much though? do you think there was even a million bundles?
Written by VaeVictus on 2009/01/07

MGS4's strength was also it's biggest problem. If you weren't familiar with the game, you had no clue what's going on and you'd lose patience with the cutscenes. I think it had a limited market b/c of it's story (which was good).

Killzone on the other hand has a Gears-esque pathetic-serviceable story at best. KZ2's selling points will be the graphics and the multiplayer (assuming the servers don't pull a SOCOM). I think that alone will move more units when combined with the massive hype this game has had since the E3 "trailer."

Written by daveydz3 on 2009/01/07

*yikes* haha, but I do have to side with Sky on the bundles issue. Yeah it would inflate the numbers but is that number really noticeable anyway?
Written by Xenos on 2009/01/07

When sony or in this case kanomi includes bundled copies in their sales, then yes it must be noticeable.

Regardless to how limited MGS4's market may have been, it's still a high profile franchise with millions of fans. The same can not be said about killzone, instead this is a low profile franchise that has millions of fanboys, so there is a difference.

How well it sells will depend on how well Sony markets it, not the graphics, multiplayer, or any other excuses/factors that you guys can come up with.

Really funny how quick some of you are to bow to sony. Their statement is so vague and their expectations are not the most realistic and yet you agree without a second's thought.
Written by kr0niXz on 2009/01/07

If Sony drop's the price of the PS3 and bundles this game with it, I think it would be a smart move... (Perhaps the only hope left for PS3)
Written by madgunde on 2009/01/07

Another factor to keep in mind is when KillZone 2 ships, there will be how much bigger install base to sell it to on launch day? Well how many PS3's has Sony sold in the last year? Probably 40% bigger install base, and KZ2 will most likely see bundles too. So sorry Xenos, I have to disagree with you (big surprise there eh?).
Written by poprocker on 2009/01/07

Killzone 2 is going to be a monster in terms of graphics, gameplay, and sales. End of story....move along.
Written by PimpDaddy on 2009/01/07

GTFO Poprocker :-p We heard the same thing about LBP, RFOM2, Motorstorm2, Socom, Wipeout, GT5P, etc... Then you look at the sales numbers and see a 3rd party game like COD5 beating all of them.

Bottom line is First party games dont sell well on the PS3. Especially in comparison to the 360. Dont get me start4ed on larger install base. Instead focus on "correct" install base. The type that buys games.

Thats the bottom line is game attach ratio. And The PS3 is last in that category. I am sure KZ2 will kick ass. But will the sales kick ass???

Edit: As an owner of all 3 consoles I hope KZ2 lives up the hype. If it doesn't certain members of this website are going to have a field day. Me personally? I am not into shooters because I sucks the fat one at them.
Written by Xenos on 2009/01/07

So Sony's install base grew 40% from June of 08 to Feb of 09?

lmao lol

Hooooooooooooooooly shit, yes please let us disagree, I would hate to be of the same mind with someone who is that blind and biased.

I'm not bashing the game, I hope it does well, it's just funny to how head over heals "some" people here are and by some people I mean sony fanboys. All indications say the game will be great, but it could be total shit and you guys would lap it up.

Again let's agree with sony and their vague prediction about sales........do you seriously not see what's so pathetic about that madgunde? Oh that's right you don't since it's normal to agree with all things sony *rolls eyes*

I hope KZ2 does great, but I hope they fail on their prediction so that MAYBE some of you zombies will wake up. (yeah right <_<)

@ Pimp, it could be the most unoriginal game ever produced and to the sony fanboys it will still live up to the hype. Hell the people here are already convinced of this before even playing it.

I've read plenty of great things about KZ2, but the one negative aspect that I've noticed on more than one occasion was that the previews have said that it's a very pretty and solid shooter, but it doesn't do anything new. Nothing wrong with that, but I can already see those here and elswhere on the net who will jump on the "best game evar!" bandwagon when it's released.

I'm seriously dumbfounded to how some people here (madgunde and sky) CAN NOT think objective about sony even for a second. As soon as they speak, those two bend over willing and waiting.

WTF is wrong with you people? And I'm not joking when I ask this
Written by VaeVictus on 2009/01/07

I believe Madgunde was referencing the substantial jump in PS3 sales from MGS4 until MS announced the 360 price cut. If you recall, the PS3 was outselling the 360 until that happened, so it is realistic that Sony saw a substantial worldwide increase over those 3-5 months. I don't know about 40%, but I think he was just pulling a #. I don't think there was an overall 40% increase, but I do think it substantially jumped. Sony would be wise to announce a price cut right b4 KZ2 and RE5 launched imho.
Written by madgunde on 2009/01/07

WTF is wrong with you Xenos? Man, your Sony hatred runs so freaking deep that you can't have a simple discussion and agree to disagree about something without repeating the same old tired "aaaaah you sony fantards will lap up anything Sony says and can't think for yourselves" crap. Get over it and yourself for pete's sake already! You'd think we're claiming KZ2 is going to be the best selling game of all time or even the best selling game on it's platform or something.
Written by madgunde on 2009/01/07

According to VGChartz, in June 2008, Sony had sold around 13.5 million PS3 consoles, and to date, they've sold around 19.4 million PS3s. That's a 43% increase in PS3 install base, so not even taking into account January and February sales leading up to KZ2's release, the install base is even bigger than the 40% number that I literally just guessed off the top of my head. So maybe it'll be 45% by the time KZ2 launches. That in itself should mean a pretty good leg up, not to mention the wider audience appeal that KZ2 will have over MGS4 as VaeVictus mentioned.
Written by Xenos on 2009/01/07

lol @ VGChartz

And I don't hate Sony, I think they have done great things to improve their situation since launch, and while I can't stand their CEOs/PR guys (Tretton, Reeves, etc), the same can be said for Ninty (Reggie) and MS (Don the tool Mattrick). Sony let their hardware be designed by a comity of business interests and now they have to work around that, in which they have done a good job all things considered.

No, while I don't agree with all of their tactics, I don't hate them. What I hate are people like you who automatically buy into anything they say without even considering the possibility that it won't work out the way they predict. Everything is all rosey in ps3 land and there couldn't be a more biased way to looking at it. I have yet to read you or sky say ANYTHING negative or even realistic regarding Sony and their moves with the ps3. Why would anyone care to agree with such a closed mind.

Think about it, if you even care to have a simple discussion, this statement from Sony is so vague and baseless but you guys were quick to agree. I want to know what kind of time table are they looking at with their prediction, what factors do they have to believe their hyperbull, and what supports their prediction. It's nothing but a vague PR statement to build up anticipation for kz2 and you're eating it up.

Also piss off with the whole "get over myself" bullshit, I don't automatically fap to any vague statement from a company and at least I TRY to see both sides of any given article. You've proven to be no better than sky in terms of logical thinking when it comes to sony, so you are the last person to be talking about anyone else.

@ Victus, you mean the month of June where the ps3 enjoyed a nice big jump from MGS4? That's all fine, and yes the install will be larger (duh), but none of that represents any gaurantee that KZ2 will outsell MGS4 in a similar amount of time like 6 months (from June to Nov).

They are two totally different franchises with two totally different histories and IMO Sony was ballsy to make this statement considering KZ's past.


Again you fanboys can kiss my ass, you've been wrong with so many things this gen and yet you insist on spewing the same garbage but you tell me to get over myself?!?! That's fucked up.
Written by poprocker on 2009/01/08

Pimp, we must hold out hope. I've got a $500 gaming/movie watching machine that is gathering dust. I'm hoping KZ2 brings that thing to life and singes the dirt off of it. From all of the gaf impressions i believe it will do just that.

As far as sales...its all speculation and you are correct that so far no ps3 game has lived up to the hype, but KZ2 has to....it just...has to.

Written by VaeVictus on 2009/01/08

Whether a game lives up to hype or not is contingent on the player and their preference. It may not sell up to it's hype, but I've played plenty of games (on multiple consoles) that have lived up to the hype, despite their sales figures. Plenty of PS3 games have lived up to their hype.

@ Xenos, if you recall, the PS3 had a good run in 2008 until MS dropped the price. The PS3 consistently outsold the 360 until that occurence, especially when MGS4 came out. It continued to do well afterwards. So, it is likely that the install base expanded quite a bit, but I don't think it was 40%. I also don't put any stock into what VG chartz says b/c they are consistently WAYYY off.
Written by Xenos on 2009/01/08

@ poprocker, I don't think it's fair to say that "no ps3 game has lived up to the hype". I've said it before and I'll say it here, the "hype" is mostly created by it's fanbase, not the developer. The only thing I never cared for with ps3 games is the FUD that sony imposes the developers spread, it's happened with EVERY ps3 game and has been proven wrong time and time again. So no, how hyped you are for a game may not be the same as me. The ps3 may have not lived up to the hype, but the games have been good for the most part.

@ Victus, outside of the month of June, the difference in sales between the ps3 and 360 were in the thousands, hardly anything worth bringing up. And yes, the ps3 continued to do well, especially compared to the previous year, but Sony's high price and the troubled economy hurt Sony not MS' price drop.

Nothing about sales or install base though really indicates that KZ2 will outsell MGS4 in a similar time frame though and that's my point. There was a rather bad to average shooter on the ps2 which failed to live up to the hype after years of sony shouting the "halo killer" FUD and then we had a decent game on the PSP. KZ as a franchise does not have the mindshare or the recognition that MGS enjoys. So with these factors in mind, I laugh when people like sky or madgunde automatically assume that KZ2 is destined to outsell MGS4 or even be a success. If there's anything that the PS3's life cycle has taught us so far is that good games are not a guaranteed success, unless it's a pack in.....................sadly.
Written by madgunde on 2009/01/08


Nobody said anything about assuming. I'm not 100% certain KZ2 is going to outsell MGS4 in a similar timeframe nor am I so pompous (as some) to claim that I can see the future. I'm merely expressing my belief that KZ2 has a good chance of doing it, and I've provided the reasons why I feel that way. You'd expressed your opinion about why you don't think it will, but neither of our opinions is really any kind of proof, they're purely opinion. I respect your opinion and points you've raised but goddamn do you come off as such a douche in the way you express it.

I love how when I backed up my 40% 'guess' that you laughed at with some actual figures which shows I was actually understating my point, all you can say is "lol @ VGChartz" rather than just stepping up and admitting that MAYBE you were wrong to dispute/ridicule my estimate. Unless you'd care to put up some figures that prove otherwise?
Written by VaeVictus on 2009/01/08

I have to disagree to some extent. I think a bigger install base will help sales overall. It just makes sense that it will. I also think there will be a lot of curious PS3 owners who will definetly buy this game. I don't think KZ2 will move a lot of consoles unless Sony drops the price...which may not happen.

Every hands on that I've read said the game is outstanding. There aren't a lot of new games that change things, and I feel pointing out that KZ2 doesn't do anything different is kinda lame.

I never said that the 360 was being blown out in sales, I was only mentioning that it was a very solid run for Sony during that time. You're right, the economy hasn't helped, but MS's price cut definitely is a strong player in this.
Written by madgunde on 2009/01/08


Assuming you're responding to Xenos's post, not mine? ;-)
Written by VaeVictus on 2009/01/08

Written by Xenos on 2009/01/08

fuckin post got lost so I'll just do a quick recap.

@ madgunde, again piss off, I'm confident, not pompous. I've been pretty spot on with how this gen would play out so far. It's not my fault that I've done my research for years and some people (like you) likes to spew assumptions without any knowledge to base it on. I don't just follow what a company wants me to believe.

Also go on and downplay my "lol @ VGChartz" but they are far from accurate and even bannable on other sites if fanboys like you even attempt to use them to prove a point.

Once you prove that you can look at Sony objectively, you give us no reason to take anything you say seriously. Trying to raise above sky's standards should be a good goal for you.

@ Victus, Never said that the install base wouldn't help, just saying that a bigger install won't guarantee that KZ2 sells better than MGS4.

I've also read great things about KZ2, but I've also read previews stating to how it's a gorgeous game but does nothing new. Yeah, I understand that sequels tend to stick with their roots, but when your game does nothing new, it could make a difference between being a good and a great game. There have been plenty of ignorant comments here by how other games do nothing new, even when they have been much bigger successes than KZ so it's far from lame.

As for the 360's price cut having an effect on the PS3's sales, I'm sure it's having some effect. But it's the economy that makes the consumer more sensitive to price. The 360 could only a $100 but if Sony was able to drop their price then the price of the 360 wouldn't really be a factor since the price of the ps3 wouldn't be an issue.
Written by madgunde on 2009/01/08


I'll accept that VGChartz isn't reliable enough to compare two different consoles, but please don't try to claim it's so innaccurate that it can't even be trusted to get a general idea of the growth line of ONE SINGLE CONSOLE. Even if it's numbers are only accurate to +/- 5%, my 40% guess is pretty darn good. But of course, you're not going to admit it. So I ask you, if Sony's install base hasn't grown by at least 40% from the launch of MGS4 till now, how much would you in your infinite wisdom say it's grown?
Written by Xenos on 2009/01/08

Mother fucker, I lost my post.......


-No need to have sand in your vagina because I'm calling you out for the biased fanboy you are.

-after doing the math of accurate numbers, from the beginning of May 08 until the end of 08 (using the estimate of 20 million), the install base grew around 55%. So yes you weren't that off and honestly when doing the math now, I was thinking 140%. My issue wasn't your percentage guestimates, but instead you indicating that KZ2 will outsell MGS4 solely based on install base growth.

-Fuck off with your smart ass remarks. How about you JUST ONCE admit something bad about sony so that we know you're capable of doing more than just sucking their balls?
Written by madgunde on 2009/01/08


If you go back and read my first post, you'll see I provided more than one reason why I think KZ2 can beat MGS4's sales (for the same time period). Also, never did I say that I thought KZ2 will FOR SURE, matter of factly, guaranteed beat MGS4's sales, I simply said I believe it can for the reasons I stated. Why is it so important to you that I say something negative about Sony? I bitch about plenty of stuff, you just seem to ignore it. I just don't take stuff companies say so seriously (or personally). You on the other hand take any quote from Sony as an excuse to scream bloody murder. It's like you've never seen companies operate before.
Written by Xenos on 2009/01/08

It's important to me because I know you're incapable of doing it.

I know exactly how companies operate, I'm no idiot to how things are done in the game's industry.

I give credit to Sony as well, not just scream anything, but they (like any company) has to earn it. I don't spin things around for a company like you do, if they do or say something that is stupid I call them out. Sorry but licking corporate asshole, like you and your buddy sky, is not my thing.


I just realized that I was crediting sony earlier in this very topic and you still keep with your one tracked mind.

WTF is wrong with you? I'm asking this with much concern because regardless to what is presented to you, you tend to think what you want anyways. Seek help, that's my advice.
Written by arthur56k on 2009/01/09

they should advertise this game like crazy, it looks like being killer app, if it doesnt do as well, then Sony can only blame themselves
Written by madgunde on 2009/01/09


I never said you are incapable of giving Sony credit, you on the other hand claim that I am incapable of being critical of Sony, and that's simply not true. I just don't make every random quote that gets posted here into a federal case like you do.
Written by Xenos on 2009/01/09

You have not ONCE been critical to any of their many stupid moves, in fact you have defended said stupid moves in the past (and present, HELLO immiture comparison!) so you're not really convincing anyone.

We all have biases here, for you it is just so slanted to the PS3 that there is no real argument to be had.

Written by madgunde on 2009/01/10

Pot meet kettle.
Written by Xenos on 2009/01/10

Bullshit and that's such a likely answer from someone who fails to see. I don't deny the shortcomings or fuck ups of any console manufacturer. If I've been biased towards any company it's been Sega in the past and even then I was able to see when and where they fucked up.

I've been one of the few here to give Ninty, MS, and Sony credit where it's due. It's the fanboys like you that like to live in Neverland when discussing these consoles.

Can't stand people as blind as you.

I take the time to research and learn about the industry to form my opinion, you on the other hand live in Sony's asshole and just go "durrr I don't know any better so I'm just going to assume this"

So seriously piss off with your accusations and assumptions.

Show me one instance where I've blindly stood up or defended MS or Nintendo when they have made a stupid move or mistake. Until then, STFU and just admit the truth.
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