No Burnout Paradise Online For Non-HDD 360 Users >

	2008/01/31 8:28:44: Posted by DM
	Apparently, i9f you do not have a hard drive, you will not be able to play Burnout Paradise online. If you check out this statement from EA support, you will see that the HDD is required to play online due to the use of temp files that the drive stores. Oh boy, this is going to cause some issues. Check out this response from EA support: (Thanks, CarlosP) I understand that you are currently having issues with the requirements for Burnout Paradise. I apologize for your situation, and the inconvenience that this causes you. The hard drive is needed to store temporary data when playing online as the data transferred from one console to another requires storage space greater than what the memory card can contain. Any of our non-hdd 360 readers please confirm or deny this in comments! >Link
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Who doesn't have a hard drive?

prolly the 10-15% of users that actually bought the core or "arcade" 360's

ha well thats what the get for being cheap, (360 core owners).

honestly, i dont think that the 'core' or 'arcade' shouldve even been an option. seeing that the XBOX was praised for having a built in HDD in every console, why offer the next gen console with or without an HDD? problems like these wouldnt be around if all came with HDD's. and even though these problems are few, they are still problems for some consumers.

and DM, if you want to know if it works without the hard drive, just remove yours from the 360 and load Burnout and see if it works.

yeah i feel sorry for arcade/core owners. I agree with incoming...those skus should have never been an option. Ps3 owners are having NO trouble whatsoever. Also worth mentioning is according to IGN this game looks BETTER on the ps3 anyway.

Even if you bought a core you can add a hard drive anytime. It's $50.00 on eBay.

Even if you bought a core you can add a hard drive anytime. It's $50.00 on eBay. This is probably the only game you need the hard drive to play online.

Response to incoming00:

I doubt that DM will bother to listen to your suggestion. I've seen proof lately that he is quite a lazy individual who is very irresponsible.

Response to dudeman:

IGN rated the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 versions of Burnout Paradise with the EXACT same score in EVERY category--including graphics--and both versions were reviewed by the same person!

IGN did NOT say that the Playstation 3 version was better in any area.

In FACT, the DEVELOPERS of Burnout Paradise were interviewed by IGN, and here is what was said:

IGN: What are the differences between the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of the game?

Nick Channon: They're the same. Xbox 360 will use the Live Vision camera, PS3 will use the PSEye. And on the Xbox version we have to bring the [menu] blades in when you go online.

IGN: You led development on PlayStation 3. Was it difficult porting it over to 360?

Nick Channon: [Porting the game] wasn't a problem at all. We had no issues. The only issues we've had are those you'd expect from learning new technology.

Wrong again Krogan. This is what was said...

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Graphics:

There are some small but noticeable differences that make the PS3 the clear choice in this category. You'll notice that while colors seem a little more subdued on the PS3, there is generally a bit more detail in the environments.

Likewise, the draw distance is a little cleaner and more distinct in the PS3 version. The 360 version also has a fair amount of pop-in, especially with distant objects.

While both versions of the game run at rock solid framerates, it did seem like the PS3's was a little bit faster, running silky smooth at high speeds.The 360 version is an admirable production but the framerate does seem slightly slower than the PS3's, with an occasional hitch at high speeds.

dudeman,

Please provide the Address of where you are getting that information. I looked at IGN, and I was unable to see it. I read the reviews of BOTH the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 versions.

Here are some comments about the Xbox 360 version:

"The game runs at a blistering 60fps, which ties perfectly with its controls, and it looks impressive at that. The crash effects are fantastic, slowing down to show you your crumpling wreck as the steering wheel is shoved into the driver's seat. Were there a virtual driver sitting there, he'd be dead."



The information above came from: hxxp://xbox360.ign.com/articles/846/846030p3.html



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Also here is a link from the "Graphics Description" version of the Playstation 3 version of Burnout Paradise from IGN:

-Graphics-

"While it doesn't quite have the shine of some other racers on the market, it runs amazingly well, especially considering how much is going on, and the crashes are stellar."

The information above comes from: hxxp://ps3.ign.com/articles/846/846020p3.html



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Obviously the reason why Burnout Paradise "Doesn't have the shine of other racers on the market," is because it's Lead Platform was the Playstation 3. If the Xbox 360 would have been the Lead Platform like those "other racers on the market" such as Forza Motorsport 2, then the graphics wouldn't have faced the polygon detail limitations that they did with the Playstation 3.

Krogan Just Got OWN'D! Turn in your video gaming license .. Burnout Paradise Sucks compared to the older versions. I'm sorry But they want me to keep up with the high speed and look at a map at the same time. While checking my rear view mirror its so easy to go off course. The graphics is not all that.

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BOTTOM LINE: The Review Scores provided by the same IGN employee in EVERY CATEGORY--INCLUDING GRAPHICS--are EXACTLY THE SAME on both the Playstation 3 AND the Xbox 360.

Krogan it is the Insider Feature: Head to Head:Burnout Paradise written by Michael Thomsen

hxxp://insider.ign.com/teasers/846/846534.html

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Response to B1ueBurneR:

I fully agree with you in EVERY word that you said!

Burnout Paradise is BY FAR the WORST version of the game that I have ever played. The bottom line is that it is NOT FUn to be forced to ULTRA QUICKLY try to look at a map to anticipate turns, while simultaneously looking into a mirror to stay ahead of the competition. You end up driving off of the course ALL THE TIME, and THAT SUCKS--just like you said!

dudeman: Finally another Sony Sausage Smuggler has emerged to give me a reason to comment on GR. The fact that you are happy that some website said the PS3 version of Burnout is marginally better than the 360 version is funny. I mean wasnt the PS3 supposed to be twice as powerful as the 360 and do 4D graphics? So shouldnt we expect a game that was programmed on the PS3 to not be able to port to the 360, or at least make the 360 version look like a Wii game?

For anyone else dogging Microsoft for the Core/Arcade model. Give it up guys. Anybody who buys the entry model has no intention of playing online, doesnt care about backwards compatability, and doesn't need all of the multimedia functions and wireless controllers that the Pro or Elite provide. The core/arcade owners just want to play games at home. So I have no problem with Microsoft selling people a console without a HDD. HEck the PS2 is the best selling console of all time and it didn't have a HDD, and the Wii is killing it this generation without a HDD. Game over.

Thats my Boy!!! Wasssup PIMP D!

@Krogan, I try to give games a second try, but damn.. I think Burnout Paradise. Just lost its taste from Other version. The crash is stupid. Its some pre-recorded bullsh!t Crashes. While the other version had the crashes happening in real time at high speed with sparks flying everywhere. They should of just left it that way and gave us the option of Instant Replay. and pictures or something like What halo did, with taking pictures from different angles.

Response to dudeman:

Thank you for providing that hyperlink.

However, I think it's convenient that you pessimistically chose to only write about the negative comments about the Xbox 360, while simultaneously reducing the number of negative comments discussed about the PS3 version. Why didn't you write some of the other positive comments about the Xbox 360 versions.



PimpDaddy is 100% correct; you are a "biased" Sony Sausage Smuggler.

Let me take the time to point out some of the other information from IGN that was posted by this particular author, along with some other facts from other websites:



Graphics:

After pointing out that the Playstation 3 version also has graphic pop up problems, IGN editor Michael Thomsen goes on to say:

"The 360 version is an admirable production but the framerate does seem slightly slower than the PS3's, with an occasional hitch at high speeds. This isn't something to be too concerned about as both version look and feel great at top speed, and most people probably won't ever see a difference unless switching back and forth on an HD monitor. Also, some people may actually prefer the overall look of the 360 version because colors seem to pop a little more brightly from the screen."



*** Apparently the professional reviewer named Chris Roper of IGN, the guy who got the approval to ACTUALLY REVIEW both versions did NOT noticed the differences that the man named Michael Thomsen did. In the opinion of Michael Thomsen, this is likely because he was not reviewing the games side-by-side switching back and forth on HDTV sets.

BOTTOM LINE: IGN's "Official Record" for the actual Review points out that the games review scores--including graphics--are rated with the EXACT same score--maybe because the PS3 is stronger in the one area mentioned, while the Xbox 360 is stronger in the other area mentioned that Mr. Thomsen claims would cause people to prefer the Xbox 360 version.



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One other thing...Neither of the IGN editors took the time to mention that the Xbox 360 version of Burnout Paradise lets you use CUSTOM SOUNDTRACKS, while the Playstation 3 version does NOT allow Custom Soundtracks to be used while playing the game.

So, when you consider that IGN rated both versions with the exact same score, the tie-breaker would go to the Xbox 360, since you can listen to ANY MUSIC you want while playing the game!

Playing "Highway to the Danger Zone" in racing games is one of my favorite things to do...Xbox 360 lets me do it, but the Playstation 3 does NOT.

@Krogan, please just drop it. its not that serious. 360 is not going to come out on top all the time in third party games. Remember these 3rd party Dev. Want to make money on both system, so expect them to give 1 system the upper hand over the other every now and then, and one more thing.. Grow up, its just video games.

*agrees with B1ueBurner*. I get wrapped up in my ps3 fanboyism sometime. It's all in good fun, but you are right...at the end of the day it's just a stupid video game. Have a good one fellas.

Response to B1ueBurneR:

I sent you a private message, buddy. There are some important pieces of information you will appreciate, along with an invite for gaming. ;)

* But, B1ueBurner, I agree with our friend PimpDaddy that this new "Sony Sausage Smuggler," using the name of dudeman needs to have all of his videogame lives ended.

The fact that "dudeman," is just another one of the long list of "screen-names in my honor," similar to WithoutPrejudiceGamer, Ultrabiased Technology Scholar, ect... all created by the same guy is disturbing, because it means that dudeman is the guy who has waaayyyy too much time on his hands creating different email addresses, different passwords, different screen-names, with different locations, ect...

whoa pimpD nice to see ya back here again

Do you people realize that Lost is on right now!

no lost is shit

Krogan, did you seriously just send me a 1,000 word PM and claim that i am formerly wpg, and uts, etc?? You are waaaay off "Buddy". have those chemicals at CleanCo gone to your brain?

CianMCL: Whats up. I have been watching and waiting, anticipating when to strike next. I just couldnt keep my mouth shut any more. For the record I think the 360 and PS3 are both very comparable in perofromance. And 1 or 2 minor little things does not make 1 version of the game superior to the other version. It's all about which console you own, which controller you like, and lately the online integration. Since I traded in my PS3, honestly I will prefer the 360. But even if I still had a PS3, I just like Live, and the 360 controller better.

I dog the PS3 because Sony hyped it up as a supercomputer when in all actuality it is a 360 with a Blu-Ray drive and motion sensing controller. Neither console has shown me a single game that could not be programmed for the other. Not Gears, Not Bioshock, Not Ratchet, Not Uncharted. Now that all the hype has died down the biggest difference between the 2 consoles will be "exclusive" game selection. Some people will prefer the PS3's games, and some people will prefer the 360's games.

Fellas the console war is over. The craptastic last generation gamecube graphics mini game white ceramic overclocked, repackaged Gamecube aka: The Wii has already won. All we can do as hardcore gamers is admire Microsoft and Sony for bringing us the best technology they could at the time, for giving us HD graphics, for bringing online gaming to the living room.

Bottom line is if you want to watch HD movies in 1080P and keep the disc in addition to playing videogames go with the PS3. If you want to have a fully integrated online service and play videogames get a 360.

I really cant hate on the PS3 now that the 40GB model is affordable at #399.00. I never cared about backwards compatability, and just didnt think any console was worth $600.00 unless it comes fully equipped with a 12 pack of Corona's, a nice 16oz steak and Lobster dinner, and ones of those hot little E3 babes hot and ready to give me a happy ending. If I am going to overpay $200.00 for the same videogame experience at least give me a hand job, F*CK!!!!!

Wow i'm scared for krogans mental stability. Seriously dude smoke alot of weed, drink alot of booze and go purchase a ps3. In all honesty dude i'm scared of you.

krogan = entertainment. He's so easy to get worked up.

Response to dudeman:

No my friend, you are the person who is so immeasurably obsessed with me as an individual that you bother to investigate my personal life, rather than sticking to professional areas of debate.

Tell ya what dudeman...from now on when you or anyone else displays that type of obsession with me as an individual; I will simply post several hyperlinks that put an end to the argument.



Here are some examples:

AWESOME Song focusing on Sony’s lies and lack of PS3 games:

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w



Sony's executive, Jack Tretton, Interviewed:

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIDsTsWJHw



Sony's executive, Jack Tretton, Interviewed AGAIN:

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XPqT7mIdtA&watch_response



Playstation 3 "Has No Frikkin Games" (Note: Exclusive Grand Theft Auto 4 content for Xbox 360 is mentioned):

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCzn1jnTU60&feature=related



dudeman, if the Playstation 3 actually had some games worth playing "all day," it would experience systems burning up, too...But, when a system like the Playstation 3 has no games worth playing, it's difficult to cause the systems to become overheated.

Oh, that and the fact that the PS3 blu-ray spins at only 2x speed with only a 9MB per second data transfer rate, compared to the 12x speed of the Xbox 360 with a 16MB per second data transfer rate. That's why the Xbox 360 games always have faster load times. Just look at Orange Box where it takes 3 seconds in one spot on the Xbox 360, but 17 seconds on the Playstation 3.

Lol at Krogan!

LOL. Michael Zoran is delusional.

hey WPG...zoran thinks i'm you. hilarious!!

Michael Zoran knows more about electronics, hardware, and software than either of you!

That's for sure!

And is he far more professional and polite, too!

And he is much more open minded and realistic, as well.



Face the facts, EA isn't happy that having the PS3 as the Lead Platform for this game that has been in development for such a long time resulted in multiple Delays, and the terrible problem of being FORCED to REQUIRE a hard drive in order to play the game online!

The EA CEO and his staff recently made it very clear that the PS3 Development still hasn't caught up to the Xbox 360 development!

He was referring to the FACT that 3 Million console owners will lose the ability to play online, because the difficult to develop Playstation 3 was the Lead Development platform.

That's one of the MANY reasons why the Xbox 360 is almost always the Lead Development Platform, and should ALWAYS remain that way for the best benefit of the largest number of businessmen and consumers!

Krogan, EA has already predicted that the ps3 will outsell the 360 in 08. Of course, worldwide as you know, the ps3 outsold the 360 in '07. EA is VERY happy with the ps3.

btw i am MS (MCP, MCDST)certified,Cisco (CCNA)certified, and Comptia Certified (Network+, and A+). I provide support on a daily basis to hundreds of users for a Huge Corpotation. i doubt you know more than i do.

lvl 2/3 support btw..not helpdesk support.

Response to dudeman:

In 2007, WORLDWIDE, the Xbox 360 outsold the Playstation 3 by MILLIONS of systems!



Seriously, dudeman, the FACT that you are clearly NOT "aware" of the FACT that the Xbox 360 outsold the Playstation 3 "Worldwide" in 2007 is a major problem

But, I think there is a bigger problem.

I think that your blind-lemming "fanboy" attitude will not allow you to see the FACT that the Xbox 360 outsold the Playstation 3 by such a large number of systems WORLDWIDE in 2007.



Here are the sales numbers that EA provided for both North America and Europe for 2006 and 2007:

Xbox 360 North America 2006: 3,900,000

Xbox 360 North America 2007: 4,600,000

Xbox 360 Europe 2006: 2,000,000

Xbox 360 Europe 2007: 1,900,000

Playstation 3 North America 2006: 700,000

Playstation 3 North America 2007: 2,600,000

Playstation 3 2006 Europe: 0

Playstation 3 2007 Europe: 2,800,000

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EA did not list Japan for two reasons:

(1) Their software doesn't sell well there.

(2) Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 have sold very poorly in Japan. Overall the PS3 has outsold the Xbox 360 by a ratio of 3:1 in Japan...but if you only sell a small number of systems, it is not an advantage worth bragging about.



The Japanes sales numbers do NOT matter in terms of which game system sold the most number of systems "Worldwide."

Xbox 360 is the system that EASILY sold the most systems, because of the BIG difference listed above. Consider:



(1) Japanese console sales represent less than 15% of worldwide console sales...and the Wii is BY FAR the dominant system.

Just to prove the FACT that Japan doesn't stop the Xbox 360 from being on top WORLDWIDE for 2007, let's say that even if you exaggerated and said the Xbox 360 sold 0 systems in 2007, and gave the PS3 the entire 15% advantage that the country of Japan represents, the Xbox 360 would STILL have outsold the Playstation 3 "Worldwide."



(2) Xbox 360 is more popular than the Playstation throughout Asia. In fact, the Japanese console market has grown so small that it is often listed as only part of the Asian market consisting of huge markets such as China, India, and South Korea.

(3) Xbox 360 is also much more popular than the Playstation 3 in Australia.

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dudeman,

I took the time to show Official Sales Figures provided by EA, and I took the time to PROVE what they mean and represent.

Xbox 360 outsold the Playstation 3 by MILLIONS of systems "Worldwide" for 2007...

If you don't understand the FACT that the Xbox 360 outsold the Playstation 3 "Worldwide" in 2007, in "future" debates, then it means you have some learning disabilities or are blind, because I explained things so clearly that even a blind lemming could see the FACTS.

Dudeman,

One of the greatest rewards of being ahead of my competitors is the fact that I sometimes hear a competitor saying something like, “I’m better than you, and I’m going to kick your ass to prove it.”

Aggressive statements like that do nothing except remind me that I am STILL the leader of the pack, and that I am STILL superior to my competitors!

After all, a person can’t try and kick your ass unless they are behind you!



The only time someone would suggest otherwise would be if they are living in a world of imagination—perhaps a 4D world created by Ken Kutaragi and Sony; where that extra dimension of imagination provides two HDMI inputs instead of one; where the games move smoothly at 120 frames per second instead of “struggling to move at 30 frames per second”; where games run in 4D instead of simulating 3D; where PS2 games look and play just like the Disney movie, Toy Story, instead of looking nothing like Toy Story.

Dudeman, the evidence strongly suggests that you are living in that type of imaginary world!



Dudeman, what’s worse is the FACT that you are clearly obsessed with measuring your performance in life against mine. This suggests that you have gone to the extent of visiting some of the web pages I have created. But that’s fine with me. After all, being on top of the world wouldn’t be as fun for me if I didn’t have someone like you to look down to.



Remember, dudeman, the leader of the pack doesn’t see the competition, because the leader is focused on what lies ahead in the 21st century environment that is constantly changing. The simple FACT that you are measuring your real-world accomplishments against those of mine make it 100% clear that you are behind me! You are NOT a leader! You are a nothing more than a BIGMOUTH who makes a fool of himself when making such comments against me or others!

And by the way, I would like to congratulate you on the excellent education and work accomplishments you have achieved in life.



Reporting your achievements to those around you is only a bad thing when you do so at the expense of others.

Remember, there are two ways to climb to the top:

(1) The moral and ethical way that compliments competitors and acknowledges the achievements of everyone involved, even when an immoral competitor brags about something.

(2) Taking shortcuts and stepping on the competition in an immoral way. When this is done, it may "appear" that a person is rising to the top, but in reality they are staying where they are, because they aren't climbing to new heights, they are just attempting to keep others below them.

Take care, and try to remember that advice for the future. It will help make a leader out of you.

Krogan this might be my favorite post from you because it shows your true ignorance. I actually copied it and sent it to 2 people who are still LOLing at you.

The reason i listed my present accomplishments was because you clearly stated that you "Knew More" about hardware and software" than i did. I have sense proved you wrong. You see...i live and WORK in the real world. It is very UNLIKE your fantasy camp where you lack the real world experience. I will have new certs and accomplishments this year as i have already set out my goals for the new year...as i do each year. However i won't bother you with them if it makes you feel that bad. I didn't even list my college degree or other certs in similar fields.

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The fact is you spend all of your time thinking about the 360. You are passionate about your "Gaming System". You can accomplish great things if you set your mind to them and forget about Gaming. Heck...i don't even game that much anymore. I am on this site PURELY to get you riled up. I honestly need to stop because you are taking this stuff WAY to serious. Anway...i wish you the best man...i really do.....

Response to dudeman:

The information I provided to you about sales is 100% accurate. It was provided by EA and appears on the major websites.

I'm glad that you sent these accurate sales figures to your two friends, because it sounds like you are being "peer pressured," into believing the nonsense that they are telling you.

If they are “STILL” laughing at me, it indicates that they have spent waaayyyy too much time at the dentist’s office, consuming laughing gas!

Also, my attention is focused on you right now, since I am busy writing a response to you. So could you please ask your friends if I could ignore them some other time.



dudeman, the word "ignorance," means "lack of knowledge." Similar to an animal that lacks the knowledge of dangers associated with crossing a street at the wrong time, such as when the sign says "Don't Walk."

These sales figures show that I possess a great deal of accurate knowledge--knowledge that was provided by EA. I also possess a clear "understanding" of that knowledge. And I fully acknowledge this information as accurate.

But the fact that your two friends are unwilling to believe this accurate information provided by EA proves that their problem has nothing to do with "ignorance," since they have been provided with accurate knowledge.

The problem is that you and your friends appear to have up to two problems:

(1) You and your friends lack the ability to "understand" that knowledge.

(2) You and your friends lack the willingness to "acknowledge," the information as accurate.

This is where the word "Stupidity," comes into effect. It is kind of like an adult who knows what "Don't Walk," means, but he decides to cross the street anyways, even after seeing the "Don't Walk" sign. That is "stupid." And that appears to be the problem of your friends if they are not willing to acknowledge these sales facts provided by EA, or the lies Sony deliberately told with the PS3.

I'm not trying to be rude when I say those things. I am simply pointing out the differences between the words "ignorance," "stupidity," "knowledge," "understanding," and "acknowledge” in an effort to strengthen our lines of communication.



Dudeman, you claim that you listed your real-life accomplishments as a reaction to visual stimuli that came from a comment saying that I “knew more,” about hardware and software than you did. Well, I certainly hope that you noticed how I actually wrote about myself in “the third person,” in that comment. I did that as a reaction, because of the fact that it was YOU who originally decided to start using real-life names in immature ways. I NEVER proactively compare real-life names of people to each other on any website. I only make references to screen-names, not real-life names or accomplishments. That was why I also pointed out that two of the fundamental areas of advantage I have over you are my willingness to behave in ways that are both professional and polite.



I should point out that I don’t spend, “All my time,” thinking about the Xbox 360. Any time spent thinking about the Xbox 360 can be classified as time spent “Thinking about the videogame industry.” I think about everything from the Xbox 360 to the Wii to the PS2 to the SNES, Genesis, Nomad, NES, Gameboy, ect…

Dudeman, in all honesty, if you are making comments on the website strictly to “rile me up,” and you are aware of that flaw—and know it is wrong—then why not avoid doing it. Continuing to do so would be an immature and immoral act.

Dudeman, your accomplishments in real life don’t “bother me,” at all. I really did mean it when I offered congratulations to you. Those are the sort of nice, honest, and accurate facts that you should enjoy writing about in professional and ethical ways.

Krogan don't start acting high and mighty. I've got PMs that PROVE how immature you are "sometimes". Seriously let's bury the hatchet and coexist on this board. I did mean what i said when i said i "wish you the best". That statement still stands.

Response to dudeman:

I accept your offer to co-exist, dudeman. Very well said, my friend.

I also accept your kind statement that wishes me the best.

I would like to wish you the very best in life, as well.

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